Anarchy! Hell Boy! Quest for Fire! Ron Perlman and Bill on what got Ron through the pandemic, the instructive nature of the movie Quest for Fire, the name change Bill wants for the Oscars, why TV has overtaken movies, when art became lecturing, L.A.’s best watering hole ever, how the psyche of America has changed movies, the guys’ favorite J Lo vehicles, Ron’s take on Hell Boy, Bill’s pitch for a Titanic sequel, and the genius of William Goldman.